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Texas Freshwater Fisheries Center!!!

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I was watching a show tonight about the Texas Freshwater Fisheries Center in Athens and was amazed at what they were talking about.  David Campbell, who oversees the fisheries, said they recieve around 3 to 30 Lunker Program bass a year.  Out of those bass, some may never spawn and some may spawn from 1 to 3 times in that year.  He stated that he had just 1 bass that spawned 5 times in that one year.  WOW!!

Now here is the shocker,  He stated that Lake Fork was one of the main lakes that the "Lunkers" come from but he also said that for every 4 "Lunker" bass that comes from Fork, 4 "Lunker" bass come from Lake Allen Henry!!!   

David travels across Texas in the months of Dec. thru March picking up these bass.  In order for the bass to qualify for the program the bass has to weigh 13lbs or more.

With that being said,  are they putting these big bass back in the lakes that they come from?  From my understanding of the program, the bass stay at the fisheries for spawning and to extract some DNA.  Will these bass ever go back to the lakes or will they be used for testing for the rest of the lives?
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KeithsCatch said:
Then after the fish has spawned they will give the angler who caught it a chance to return that same fish back to the lake he caught it or keep it and eat it (ahemm Bobby ;) ) and or release it in a private lake he owns.

You just might be suprised by this KeithsCatch but I no longer eat or keep bass. :) I had a really bad experience with my last batch of bass, which was about 5 months ago, and no longer have the taste for them. Now, I will eat some bream and crappie.
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oldschool said:
ps; told you this would be controversial!

Nope, its not that controversial. I could really care less about how bass get that big in size, I just want to catch and release one. I have no doubt that California will probaly break the record and I know that not all lakes in Cali are stocked with trout. Trout are high in protien and helps with the growth rate in some of those lakes. It really doesn't matter to me. But whoever and whaterever state that breaks that record, it will create controversy, one way or another. That is the sad part. People just won't let someone enoy there catch of a lifetime without questioning it. Oh well.
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oldschool said:
Florida strain LMB are a different specie of bass than northern LMB. For example Florida's have 64 to 69 lateral line pore scales and grow about 2 inches longer. Northern LMB have 58 or less lateral line pore scales and growth under 28" length.The larger skeleton carries more weight per inch, for example my largest northern LMB is 12.3 lbs and 26.5" long X 21" girth, the 18.8 Florida was 28.5" long X28" girth! Different bass that may look alike, they are not the same. There are a few In-Fisherman pitures published. Just don't like my photos being everywhere.
Tom

That is some information I didn't know. Thanks for that post oldschool.
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Good to hear Bobby. I am proud of ya.

Thanks oldschool. My biggest bass is a northern strain caught in Texas and only weighed 9.5lbs yet it was 26 1/4" long with only a 16" girth. If she had been a Florida strain she would have been a teen bass. She is the one in my avatar.
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Keith, do you use "soft plastic" or "rubber" worms. I think it's the same nomenclature as calling the mount "plastic" or something that plastic refers to.
Thanks for your opinion but it is just that.
The reason for the program is to breed the big ones for future generations. You have no idea if it works or not.
Henry is new to the big bass scene and had the most put into the program last year albiet they may have had some in the past but not the amount of last year.
Thanks for straightening me out. You belong in California with the rest of the big mouths..............
FMMADDEN said:
Keith, do you use "soft plastic" or "rubber" worms. I think it's the same nomenclature as calling the mount "plastic" or something that plastic refers to.
Thanks for your opinion but it is just that.
The reason for the program is to breed the big ones for future generations. You have no idea if it works or not.
Henry is new to the big bass scene and had the most put into the program last year albiet they may have had some in the past but not the amount of last year.
Thanks for straightening me out. You belong in California with the rest of the big mouths..............
The replica mounts are fiberglass that is layed into a plaster mold originally made from a real bass. Most taxidermist will have several molds of bass from 8 lbs and up depending on the region the taxidermist is in. The molds are very detailed, however eyes, gills and some fins are added to the fiberglass. The art involved is in the painting of the fiberglass, some are excellent.
I thought Texas had the biggest of everything, including mouths.
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Lets keep it clean guys. We haven't had much, if any, drama here and we would like to keep it that way. If the discussion gets too heated we will have no choice to lock the topic or delete it all together. If you should have some personal issues then take it to the PM's.

Thanks,
Texas Bass Pro
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Thanks for the laugh.
Joking aside, every Texan with a bass boat should be fishing Amistad. The lake is hot in it's prime, plus it is pre-spawn there. Get off this board and go there now!! I have experienced big bass booms several times and they are rare. The conditions are right, the time is right and the next 3 months should be great fishing.
Tom
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Tom,

I lived in Texas for 22 years and regret that I never had the priviledge of fishing that lake. I wish I could.

But then again, here in Florida the spawn is just about to pop right now ;D Lots of beds have already ben swept and buck bass are hanging around with the occaisional mamma bass nearby. Can't wait it is getting gooder and gooder as we speak. :clap:
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Texas does have it's share of bigmouths and I am certainly one of them.
I looked up the last three years of the contributions to the Share-A-Lunker program and found;
2006:
Lake Alan Henry - 9
Lake Fork - 6
Amistad - 4
Conroe - 3

2005:
Alan Henry - 9
Fork - 7
Sam Rayburn - 2

2004:
Fork - 9
Casa Blanca - 2
Alan Henry - 2 (fourth since 2002)

There have been over 200 from Fork. 2006 produced four lake records throughout the state. I didn't list those with one fish. One fish in 2004 was a repeat fish that was tagged and caught again in 2004.
I think the program is working and at the very least, someone is trying to do something.
In Texas, the hottest lake seems to be Lake Alan Henry right now. Fork is very consistant though and I wouldn't pass on a trip to Amistad.
Alan Henry is a 2,880 surface acre lake too, which is small in Texas (no pun intended).
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Texas appears to be managing their fishery resources very well verses California neglecting ours. The issue that I brought up was the ethics in genetic engineering verses Share A Lunker programs initial goal of selective egg harvest. Apparently the vast majority of bass fisherman don't care how the bass achieved it's record growth, as long as it there for them to catch. To date the largest bass are pure Florida strain, regardless of where they were initially introduced. The F1, F2, F3 intregrates tend to have an accelerated growth rate and achieve 10 to 12 lbs in 6 years, their ultimate weight has not exceeded 19 lbs., in California or Texas.
Tom
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Tom,

Do you really think California has neglected the bass out there? I think they must be doing something right since you guys have such gigantic bass.
KeithsCatch said:
Tom,

Do you really think California has neglected the bass out there? I think they must be doing something right since you guys have such gigantic bass.
California Department of Fish and Game, as it is known here, really does not manage bass fisheries beyond enforcing regulations, such as limit sizes and fishing license. The Florida bass introduction was initiated by San Diego city lakes, independent of the State Fish & Game, one time back in 1959. The majority Florida strain bass in California came from that initial stocking of lake Upper Otay from ponds that are know covered by lake Miramar. San Diego planted their lakes from Upper Otay lake. The Ventura county lakes Casitas and Cuchuma were stock with bass out of Upper Otay in 1971, Lake Castaic in 1972, Isabella in 1976. since that time private bass clubs have purchased pure Florida strain bass from the state of Florida and transplanted into several northern California's lakes. The Friends of Castiac purchased fingerling Pure Florida's in an effort to reestablish Castiac back to national prominence back in 1998. Diamond Valley lake was stocked with pure Flodia's as it was being filled about 9 years ago. All these stockings are one time efforts, with the exception of Castiac having 2 plants. The bass sustain themselves without any additional help for California Fish & Game. Bass clubs lobby to have a few spawning coves closed off for 2 months in their local lakes, like Castaic and Casitas, however this is not a regulation, only honorary. California bass fisherman are very good at practicing catch and release, however the weekend fisherman harvest what they catch over 12 inch minimum legal size, plus the mortality rate is high for giant bass. It is amazing that we have the bass fisheries we have.
Tom
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Something is being done right somewhere. I'd say it is the education of the average bass angler, and the fact they are not the easiest fish to catch(the lunkers) from the bank. Just my opinion.
imonembad said:
Something is being done right somewhere. I'd say it is the education of the average bass angler, and the fact they are not the easiest fish to catch(the lunkers) from the bank. Just my opinion.
It has a lot to do with the bass themselves, they are a tough fish.
Consider lake Castaic, world renown for giant bass a decade ago and still would be if stripped bass were kept out of the lake. Castaic is a small 2 1/2 mile lake that is deep (330 ft at the dam), is located within the county limits of Los Angeles and operated by the city of LA for drinking water storage and sells water for agriculture use. Most years the lake is drawn down during (while the bass are trying to spawn) spawning period. Tournaments are held weekly all year around and at night during summer. It is not unusual to have over 300 boats fishing daily during the peak warm months. Castiac bass have been pressured all their life and still manage to maintain a good population a big bass. It's not the management, it's the little green fish surviving somehow.
Tom
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