I am on a heck of a good spinnerbait bite right now and the pattern is The front ends of docks in brush. The docks are mostly connected to the land by cables so I'm fighting cables and brush and Bass to land a fish. I don't use braid and have no desire to start using it the day of a tourney which is my next trip. Does anyone have any good suggestions as to what type and size of line to use for this application?
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I'm very happy using Yo-Zuri Hybrid for similar conditions, on a baitcaster. My recommendation for 3/8 oz up to 5/8 oz spinnerbaits is 20#. http://www.yo-zuri.com/Products/ProdLine/Hybrid.htm
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I use Yo-Zuri myself and am very pleased with it. If you decide to use it you will be very glad.
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Drew the yo zuri is awesome line my only thing has been the palomar knot does not hold with hybrid i havent had problems with that knot and flouro but the hybrid doesnt like the palomar at all. Dave
Use a UniKnot or Braid Knot with spinnerbaits, it's faster and easier. Palomar knot is difficult to tie on big lures and the skirt strands or blades tend to tangle in the knot.dave0331_69 said:
P-Line CXX is another good choice if you can't find a hybrid fluoro like Yo-Zuri.
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Ps; Braid knot; take about a 1 1/2 foot of line and double it, then drop the spinner bait on the line at arm tie point, swing the spinner bait around about 5 times, then put the double end loop through the opening like a clinch knot and snug up the knot. You will have 3 ends to clip off and this knot works great for spinner baits and is very fast to tie, even a old guy like me do it.
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Thats strange. I ue the palomar knot with yo-zuri and have had no problems. In fact, the palmor knot is the only knot that I use. Maybe I'm lucky. LOL
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I've been using a Palomar on all but braid (comes undone). We all know what a huge topic fluorocarbon line knots has become around the world. I tried to convert to other supposedly better knots, but came back to the Palomar on the Yo-Zuri Hybrid.
The Palomar is a strange but very strong and easy knot. It's so easy I can tie it with eyes closed once the doubled line is speared through the hook eye. I saw some microscope photos of the Palomar done right and wrong. When bringing the loop around the hook point the loop can twist so it forms a figure 8, sort of, which if left that way will cut into itself later. The base of the loop needs to look orderly or it's twisted wrong. Just look at it. Where the tag ends of the big loop meet the rest of the knot the lines need to lay flat, not crossed like a person crosses their legs.
Once the knot is ready for cinching down, wet it with saliva. Hold the lure, not the mainline. SLOWLY pull the loop part tight and don't let it draw down straddling the main knot. When it's tied right its easy to cinch down. If it's resisting cinching, it's crossed and will fail. Don't get in a hurry knotting fluorocarbon using any kind of knot, as sudden cinching generates enough heat to damage the line.
Give that a try. It'll all make more sense once you've played around with it.
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The Palomar is a strange but very strong and easy knot. It's so easy I can tie it with eyes closed once the doubled line is speared through the hook eye. I saw some microscope photos of the Palomar done right and wrong. When bringing the loop around the hook point the loop can twist so it forms a figure 8, sort of, which if left that way will cut into itself later. The base of the loop needs to look orderly or it's twisted wrong. Just look at it. Where the tag ends of the big loop meet the rest of the knot the lines need to lay flat, not crossed like a person crosses their legs.
Once the knot is ready for cinching down, wet it with saliva. Hold the lure, not the mainline. SLOWLY pull the loop part tight and don't let it draw down straddling the main knot. When it's tied right its easy to cinch down. If it's resisting cinching, it's crossed and will fail. Don't get in a hurry knotting fluorocarbon using any kind of knot, as sudden cinching generates enough heat to damage the line.
Give that a try. It'll all make more sense once you've played around with it.
Jim
I use the Palomar knot on both fluoro and fluoro hybrids and agree that when tightened correctly is a very good knot. The fact that I have been tying this knot since age 12 may make a difference. However I do not like to make a big loop to swing lures with treble hooks or blades through, then try to tighten the knot without crossing the double line at the tie point.
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Jim thanks for the info! I must've tied it wrong i think i get what you're saying i'll have to pay attention the next time i tie something on.Thanks again. Dave
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I have to say, Yo-Zuri all the way. I put it on all my reels except for some mono I use for topwaters and on my spinning reel(and when I find the ultra soft, I will convert the spinning reel too). Jim, the W/M store here doesn't carry the Yo-Zuri and I had to get mine at BPS. Unfortunately, I have only been able to get out once since I loaded my reels with it but it is impressive. I won't use anything else now. BTW, Jim, you put me on to Yo-Zuri. Thanks :clap: :dance01: :cheers:
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If you all like Yozuri you will love Vicious Copolymer line (ACP). It is stronger, less memeory and highly abrasion resistant and is a lot cheaper in price. I have been throwing 12 or 15, and I have not broken off with it yet. You can get 660 yards for the same price of 300 yards of Yozuri.
Thanks for the advice as always it is top notch and priceless info. Lets spin the question a little bit. How often do you change out line? I will before every tourney and after every worm or jig fishing trip. Usually because its kinked or low from a hellaious back lash.
Not to rain on anyones parade, copolymers are not considered a hybrid nylon/fluorocarbon. Copolymers are two types of nylon co-extruded together to form a copolymer line, whereas a hybrid is two different polymers co=extruded ( nylon & fluorocarbon) to form a hybrid line.
For example P-Line CXX is a copolymer and Yo-Zuri is a hybrid of nylon core with fluorocarbon outer coating. The P-LIne CXX has a softer nylon core for good flexibility and a harder nylon outer coating for good abrasion resistance and the result is a good casting line that has good abrasion resistance, plus the ease of tying good knots.
The Yo-Zuri, and other fluoro hybrids, uses a softer nylon core with fluorocarbon coating that results in a line with the light refraction characteristics and abrasion resistance of fluoro and the casting characteristics of nylon. Knot strength should be good, however you need to treat hybrids like fluoro and tie good knots.
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For example P-Line CXX is a copolymer and Yo-Zuri is a hybrid of nylon core with fluorocarbon outer coating. The P-LIne CXX has a softer nylon core for good flexibility and a harder nylon outer coating for good abrasion resistance and the result is a good casting line that has good abrasion resistance, plus the ease of tying good knots.
The Yo-Zuri, and other fluoro hybrids, uses a softer nylon core with fluorocarbon coating that results in a line with the light refraction characteristics and abrasion resistance of fluoro and the casting characteristics of nylon. Knot strength should be good, however you need to treat hybrids like fluoro and tie good knots.
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Drew, one of these days go get you some braid and give it a shot. To me there is not a better line available for using spinnerbaits then braid. Think about this for a minute. Spinnerbaits create vibration especially ones with single Colorado blades, and the line can either damper this effect such as what Mono or Flouro lines do (Although flouro slightly less) or they can allow for maximum vibration such as the case with braid. Braid is so limber that it dampers the vibration of the bait the least of any line. This allows for better vibration in the water. I can't tell you how many times I have bettered folks using the same exact spinnerbait with the only difference being me using braid and them using mono.
This is also true for lipless crankbaits and Chatterbait type baits. Also, around dock pilings and cables I would feel the best about my chances of landing a fish around that type of cover then I would with mono or Flouro. Unless of course the pillings has barnacles
You should be ok with barnacles in AR.
I also give a thumbs up for YoZuri Hybrid. I have 12lb test and it has performed well for me. I also bought mine at Wal Mart. I know you don't like to go to Wal Mart. You might have to buy it online?
This is also true for lipless crankbaits and Chatterbait type baits. Also, around dock pilings and cables I would feel the best about my chances of landing a fish around that type of cover then I would with mono or Flouro. Unless of course the pillings has barnacles
You should be ok with barnacles in AR.I also give a thumbs up for YoZuri Hybrid. I have 12lb test and it has performed well for me. I also bought mine at Wal Mart. I know you don't like to go to Wal Mart. You might have to buy it online?
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