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Old 09-11-2007, 04:03 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Good day on the water. Tough conditions and you caught bass trying some new tactics, that is what bass fishing is all about. Thanks for the positive feed back.
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Old 09-17-2007, 12:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Well, I went out on saturday in the wind & wet, my drift sock works good. I did get fish, but they were small. Sunday I went out, cold but little wind, & the sun was out. I left my dropshot home, I have a tournament in 2 weeks & I want to find some bigger fish. I did find a few under some docks but they were small, the weeds were nonexistent this year, so the bait fish moved around a lot more. Now that the water is down, at least a foot below normal, & the water is cooling, I'm finding I have to search more for fish. I finnally found some decent ones in very shallow water, they were chasing baitfish. It seems that the bass don't turn on now until mid morning, even the gulls are down early. I'm finding that it's 1 here, 2 there, & 1 over yonder. The jigging material helped, I started to throw a swimming jig & was able to cover water faster.
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Old 11-07-2007, 08:52 PM   #13 (permalink)
 
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Fall fishing is the absolute best. Here in North Central Maine we are looking at water temps in the 46 to 49 degreee range as of Sunday and the back side of a once hurricane. Those that went out in our last of the year tourney and went low and slow with jigs and Senko like presentations didn't have the best of days. It seems many of the fish weighed in came off reaction bites. Rattle traps, various crankbaits and spinnerbaits will keep working reasonably well even when the water temps drop to 40 degrees. There are even days when the water temps continue to cool when you can get a decent reaction bite but that pretty much stops when the water temps hit that magic point where because the density of the water at the surface you get that odd condition refered to as lake turnover. This happens in most lakes when the surface water reaches 4 degrees Celsius or 39.2 degrees Fahrenheit.
Fish can still be caught right up to the point of ice up but for each degree one goes below the magic number of 40 the bite seems to decrease noticably. Oddly once most fish aclimate themselves to water that eventually stabilizes below the ice at a point just shy of 40 degrees and that can actually in many spring holes even reach 45 degrees even in the far North under the ice. But most lakes up here run under the ice water temps between 36 to 39. Now at one time it was thought that crayfish would pretty much be off the menu after they supposedly burrowed into the mud awaiting warmer water temps. But late winters we have caught bass through the ice that were still spitting up crayfish so, so much for that theory. But while lower and slower does seem to be the best bet from 40 down to frozen don't become a slave to it any to soon.
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Old 11-08-2007, 10:45 AM   #14 (permalink)
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It seems many of the fish weighed in came off reaction bites. Rattle traps,....
I keep harping on this and it seems most folks who fish in cold water are not doing this. Thanks for letting folks now that reaction bites will put fish in the boat even in cold water. Oh and welcome to the Bassholes.
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Old 11-08-2007, 11:15 AM   #15 (permalink)
 
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And thanks for the welcome. My displaced buddy from up here in the frozen North (John Porter) put me onto this site and I like what I see. Guess I'll have to hang around and see if I can contribute any thing meaningful to the discussions.

On the whole issue of not automatically slowing down and down sizing I know what you mean. I think there has been so much written of late on how that has to be the tactic in the cold that it is hard for many folks to buck the popular trend. Heck I'll be the first to admit that it isn't always the answer but there sure as shooting are those real late season days when going agressive in the cold can produce some amazing fish. Besides when the air temps are sliding way south of the freezing point chunking and winding can help keep you warm. I will try and keep at it until I can't force my boat through the ice any more or the state shuts down the season which they do the end of this month on most waters. I take about 12-15 rods with me and when they are all frozen up I go home and start thawing them out for the next time.

Now generally I probabbly do slow down the retreive some and will definetly make sure I am getting bottom contact with my baits because that is just where the fish are over being suspended (no shad up here so that make affect some of that) but I sure as heck don't down size either with reaction baits or soft plastics. Now I can get clocked occasionally but late season fishing can be a feast or famine regardless of how your doing it. One of the big issues around here is keeping the danged trout off the baits when the water gets cold. Just as the bass are slowing down the trout are getting more active and they can be a nuisence at times(fish on.......oh rats its a 2-3 pound Brookie or its another danged Brown (trout love rattletraps). But hey, its a fish and the better ones can give a good tug on the line and they are pretty as all get out in their fall colors. I probably do downsize a little in the real cold and may even drop down on my lipless baits from 1.25 ounce to 1 ounce or even .75 ounce but it has more to do with not wanting to plant too many 9 or 10 dollar baits in rocks and wood over what the smaller baits run. Often times one just has to pay attention to the weather and time their outings for days where the water has the potential of picking up a little thermal input and fish those areas close to wintering areas where at least some fish will come up into close by feeding areas and try to grab one last good quick meal. But I'll go out and find those holding areas and make long casts with a 3/4 ounce or larger lipless and let it sink all the way to the bottom on a semi taught line and after letting it sit there a bit rip it up and bang it up a stretsh of cover. Often times just as you start to rip it you will get a whicked jolt of a strike and I let it sink in a controled fashion because it is rare on a day where I have a reaction bite going that I don't get at least a few hits as the blasted bait is sinking or just before it hits bottom. For that reason I fish most of my lipless this time of the year off braid so I can detect hits on the drop and some of the more subtle hits from behind on the retreive.

Nice to know there are others that like to buck trends.
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Old 11-08-2007, 11:16 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Water is at the heaviest or highest density at 39.4 degrees then becomes lighter and floats towards the surface and freezes at 32 degrees, otherwise the lakes would freeze bottom to top.
LMB can't survive below 40 degrees water temperature and must locate warmer water. The bass go deep to the thermocline layer or springs where the water is close to 50 degrees until the upper (epillimion) layer cools the water column down to point both (epillimnion & hypolimnion) layers are equal, the thermocline (mesolimnion) disappears as winds mix the lake. If you smell a rotten egg oder from the bottom sulphurous gases that indicate the lake has turned over. The bass will still search out the warmest water with good DO levels to survive the cold water period. You are better off,IMO, to fish for cold water species during the very low water temperature period, until the core water column warms above 45 degrees. Give the bass the winter break, unless you are fishing in warmer regions where the core water temperature rarely drops below 45 degrees.
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Old 11-08-2007, 11:50 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Yes sir, not so much bucking trends as doing what works I used to live in Texas and while it is not super cold there north Texas can at times get pretty cold. When water temps were in the high 40's I would use rattle traps to catch fish over grass beds. That was effective. I remember one December it was snowing and we caught a few decent bass on red rattle traps at Lake Fork.

But I have never used a lipless over 1 ounce before. I only used the 1 ounce one a few times with no results. 3/4 ounce was good enough for me in deeper water. 1/2 ounce or now 5/8 ounce baits are my preferred size.

I am so glad we don't get ice over here. I had enough of that when I lived in Colorado.
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Old 11-09-2007, 04:57 PM   #18 (permalink)
 
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Well put Tom. Some if not all lakes do absolutly get that strange smell about them at turnover. Personally I have always found the days imediatly adjacent to that happening to be pretty tough sledding when it comes to fishing but once it settles down things can get productive again. Chasing fish that are concentrated up here isn't really a factor of the open water season. Most fishermen shut down long before it even really starts and we all have to stop the end of November even if we still have any open water which isn't the norm. Our problem is with ice fishermen that camp over the wintering holes and can devestate bass populations in smaller waters. Guess we just all have to be vigillant and report the fish hogs when we spot them or continue to work for total catch and release for bass.

I know the traditional hot use of traps is over grass and it works as well here as every where else but I actually think they may be even more productive when banged off rock in areas that are receiving a good chop or even some wood. I too still have the smaller traps and there are times I will use them but for most of my lipless fishing I like baits 3/4 ounce and heavier. We don't have shad up here and in those waters where primary forage is white perch, yellow perch or alwives the bigger baits just produce better fish and at times more of them. But many fall days it is a real toss up over using a trap or a spinnerbait. This last weekend it was the big lipless baits that carried the day and the spinnerbaits were in the game but a distant second.
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Old 11-21-2007, 11:04 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Glad to see this topic is still kicking around. I took a couple of the older suggestions last week (Veteran's Day) but didn't get a lot of results. I was fishing a Tiki Stick in cold water and got one hit like a ton of bricks that caught me off guard so I missed it. I would have thrown the spinner or lipless but although the surface lily pads were dead, the roots and crud below the surface are still thick. Maybe I'll head out to one last place this weekend where I can throw a faster retrieve lure.

On a semi-related note, the Foxborough, Mass. Bass Pro finally opened and it is the balls. I was among the first in line when it opened a week ago and they took $130 from me. They'll probably get more than that this Friday.
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Old 11-21-2007, 12:10 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Jay, where are you? You might want to try some points, slowly work out deep, use your electronics. Only 130$, piker. I'm going to be at BPS in Auburn tomorrow at 8:00,  feel the love?
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