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Old 10-02-2012, 11:30 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Any of you know the history ? I would like to get an open discussion going on this. I looked on google but only found sites wanting to sell me things. I was looking at some old baits. Spinner baits had feathers. Jigs were made of furs. So when did the Silicone take take over ? Was it easier and faster to produce ? More colors. Cheaper to use and make more profit ?
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I actually think the silicone came out to replace the rubber they used to use for skirts. The old rubber would get sticky, didnt have a great action, and would not last long. This will be an interesting thread, im sure someone knows the history of how these materials evolved.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:44 AM   #3 (permalink)
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I started this because of dads old tackle box. He has had it long as I can remember. That thing is like a time capsule. He had some old hair jigs in there that are just fine. They lasted all these years. There are some rubber skirt buzz baits in there. They look like a wad of colored, sticky rubber bands. They made a mess. Ruined a few tings as well. There are two bass jigs, I guess they are silicone. The skirt is hand tied on with looks like a very fine cord. They are in fine shape.

One night I saw an old man at the river fishing. He pulled out some old hand tied baits. He said they would bite this tonight. He said they don't make make these any more. He put them back in his old box. I don't want to use one here I'll never get it back.

If feathers and hair worked so well why did it go away ?
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I started this because of dads old tackle box. He has had it long as I can remember. That thing is like a time capsule. He had some old hair jigs in there that are just fine. They lasted all these years. There are some rubber skirt buzz baits in there. They look like a wad of colored, sticky rubber bands. They made a mess. Ruined a few tings as well. There are two bass jigs, I guess they are silicone. The skirt is hand tied on with looks like a very fine cord. They are in fine shape.

One night I saw an old man at the river fishing. He pulled out some old hand tied baits. He said they would bite this tonight. He said they don't make make these any more. He put them back in his old box. I don't want to use one here I'll never get it back.

If feathers and hair worked so well why did it go away ?
still doing quite well in the flyfishing world, but i believe bass fishing wise it became a momentum thing, progress forward doesn't always mean onto better things, but certainly new and different presentations,and i do agree that coloring plastics is a much faster and simpler thing than dying fur and feathers to try and match the color you were going for, bucktail jigs are still found in many anglers arsenals and the "breathing" motion is hard to beat with any other material. my 2 cents
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Old 10-04-2012, 06:12 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Silicone came in big time in the 90s, it offers an unbelievable range of colors including metalics, is inexpensive, easy to work with and is less prone to "melting". Rubber, living, flat, frogs hair or fine tends to stick together after use, and melts or combines with many of the plastics used. Hair, while it is the most natural, it is natural, and tends to have the most natural movement, takes longer to tie, you can't use collars with it, and does not have the color selection of silicone. On the floor beside me at this moment is a bag of bucktails that has 10 or 12 different colors and each tail has changes in color within it. To tie a good, well made hair jig that has a powder coated head will cost the same as a premium silicone skirted jig. If you ask some folks, older more experienced big bass guys what they prefer and they will tell you hair. Oldschool has caught as many or more bass over 15 lbs as anyone and he prefers hair. I tie my own jigs and I can tie a silicone or rubber skirt in half the time as a hair jig. I prefer large round rubber, it can be mixed with hair and/or silicone, it has the most action of any of the others, throw it into a swimming pool and watch the strands breath while the jig just sits there. Many of the pros use rubber.
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here is a bit of history. my jig, which back in the late 80's, known as viper started using silicone skirts. the rest of the industry followed. viper was also the first to individual bubble pack a jig. the viper jig was also the first to use a 5/0 size hook with a smaller 3/0 point. the viper was also the first to start using powder coat paint. now you know some of the history of silicone skirts. silicone has its place, but so does hair and rubber. silicone has become so popular because of the endless colors. all those pretty colors are a whole better at catching fisherman than fish for the most part. slip on skirts are cost saving on the manufacturing side of things. but, it also enables "we" fisherman to be more flexible in our color choices. you can take 30 or 4 jigs of different head colors and make quite a few color combinations with say 8 skirt colors. you can not be that flexible with hand tied skirts of any material. so, there are advantages and disadvantages to both slip on and hand tied.

with the silicone skirts, i had the intentions of catching more fisherman, but, the jig i invented was with the intention to help the fisherman catch boat more fish, and bigger ones.

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All good points there. I had a felling that was the case. Rubber would open up a new market to a do it yourself crowd. I can see Bill Dance standing in front of a camera saying " you have to get this " LOL and the people followed.
I started putting marabou on spinnerbaits. It looks great. I have revived interest in making hair jigs lately. I use to make my own trout spinners and fly. I made a batch of jigs on 1/16 oz jig heads. I took them to the spillway and was catching walleye, Smallmouth, and panfish. With the same jig. Its a neat feeling to land fish on something you made. I was the only one catching fish too.

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As Merc said, there are advantages and dis advantages to any and all materials. I tie my own, I tie the skirt to the jig, I've had collars slip at the wrong time and just plain don't like them now, but I need a BIG jig box, I have 2. Truth of the matter, I don't believe we need all the colors we have, greens, browns and black and blue should cover everything and those leave a huge number of combinations to use. I use purple, orange and chartreuse as accent colors not primary. While I use it I don't really think we need flake, hair and rubber don't have it, they are dull in color and they work, like Merc said, he made colors to attract fishermen.
In many cases the more important consideration should be jig weight, what drop speed do you need, what cover are you penetrating, how deep are you fishing, and what mood do the fish appear to be in are more important questions, also, what color is the water, these are more important than jig color, that should be last.
I,ve thought about carrying an assortment of head sizes and skirts to cut back on the amount of tackle I carry but can't get past seeing the skirt slide to the back of the hook. I most likely carry far more tied jigs than what I need but we have 4 species of toothy critters here that can strip you of all your money in a hurry and I don't like stainless leaders.
I do know that I'm going to be throwing more hair, even on my Poison Tails than before, every body and their brother is throwing jigs, even when they may not be the best choice, but no body is throwing hair and I make my own bass jigs in hair.
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