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Old 04-13-2012, 09:16 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Thinking about a 1986 skeeter with a dual axle and trailer brakes. Owner says it has a 4 pin plug to hook to the tow vehicle. How do these type brakes operate? I always thought the 4 pins were one for each turn signal, one for driving lights and one for brake lights. Is there a brain that determines how hard to apply the brakes when it senses the brake light circuit activated?
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Old 04-13-2012, 09:49 AM   #2 (permalink)
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If I were a betting man, I would bet the Trailer has surge brakes not electric brakes. Electric Brakes take a 7 pin plug, and a brake controller mounted in the cab to operate.
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Old 04-13-2012, 01:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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It may be that your brakes only work when you are trying to stop your vehicle. That year model that was the norm. When they changed actuators they would continue to work and lock your trailer up when you backed up. They added a feature to over ride the actuator with a signal from the tow vehicle backup lights. That is why you need the 7 pin and a 5 wire pigtail.

Two of my friends have 1994 trailers under Champions and Bass Cats all they need is the 4 wire. My trailer has the actuator that needs the overide and I have to have the 5 wire hooked up to the RV plug.
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It may be that your brakes only work when you are trying to stop your vehicle. That year model that was the norm. When they changed actuators they would continue to work and lock your trailer up when you backed up. They added a feature to over ride the actuator with a signal from the tow vehicle backup lights. That is why you need the 7 pin and a 5 wire pigtail.

Two of my friends have 1994 trailers under Champions and Bass Cats all they need is the 4 wire. My trailer has the actuator that needs the overide and I have to have the 5 wire hooked up to the RV plug.
My brakes work that way, I have surge brakes, and the only thing my wiring does with the brakes is when I put the truck in reverse it trips a solenoid on the master cylinder in the trailer tongue and dumps the hydraulic pressure so the brakes dont lock up when im backing.
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Hmmm. I will have to take a closer look at it. My main concern I guess is how would the trailer know if I was hard on the brakes to avoid a potential accident on the highway or just slowing to a stop. Having never thought about it the concept is a strange one.
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Old 04-13-2012, 10:02 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Ken should be surge brakes ! depends on how hard ya hit the brakes on how hard the trailes brakes engage!
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Hmmm. I will have to take a closer look at it. My main concern I guess is how would the trailer know if I was hard on the brakes to avoid a potential accident on the highway or just slowing to a stop. Having never thought about it the concept is a strange one.
In surge brakes, when you apply the truck brakes and the truck begins to slow, the weight of the trailer pressing on the truck ball compresses the piston in the tongue of the trailer and applys pressure to the master cylinder mounted in the toungue of the trailer, harder you brake the harder the trailer brakes. If you had electric brakes, you would have to have a brake controler mounted somewhere on or under the dash of the truck, when you mash the truck brake the brake controler sends the appropriate amount of brake force to the trailer brakes, there is also a manual switch on the brake controler were you can manually apply the trailer brakes, in case of emergency.
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Thinking about a 1986 skeeter with a dual axle and trailer brakes. Owner says it has a 4 pin plug to hook to the tow vehicle. How do these type brakes operate? I always thought the 4 pins were one for each turn signal, one for driving lights and one for brake lights. Is there a brain that determines how hard to apply the brakes when it senses the brake light circuit activated?
One for each turn signal is also the brake circuit, it lights both (turn signal) brake lights one from each wire. The fourth wire (white) is ground.
It is not unusual for the brakes to be inoperative on a trailer especially a used one. You should have drum brakes on this type of trailer. If there is a blue wire farther from the white one it is for disc brakes. If you have disc brakes and want to see if they are working disconnect the wiring and try to back up a slight incline. If you can, the brakes aren't working.
Trailer brakes are handy and a good safety feature. If you have to panic stop on wet pavement the boat can literally pull the back of your truck around and jackknife you.
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That explains it all. Someone was thinking when they invented that compression tongue deal. He did not indicate any problems with the brakes but I will do that test.
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